Willem Broekema <willem@pastelhorn.com> wrote: > Or can it be explained by that doctype-switching > box-model thingie? Yep. Or at least a related Standards Mode fixup. The element that represents the viewport (window) in HTML is <html>. <body> represents only the content displayed within its work area. By default, the body does not scroll - the root element <html> does. In older IEs and in quirks mode, <body> represented the viewport in many ways, including scrolling, because body was considered to effective root element in older browsers. There is still an unpleasant kink in CSS where body-background is moved to html-background to compensate for this. So, to read the scrollTop of the viewport you would need something like document.documentElement.scrollTop. Of course this will always be 0 in IE5, so you would have to add the two scroll values together! Or move IE6's scrolling element back to <body> using CSS 'overflow'. Or seomthing. IE's coloured-scrollbar style is another thing that has to be moved to <html> instead of <body>.